我要请教的这个仿真图在ATPDraw5..5中是如何建模型？

dongchch · 发表于 2009-9-3 16:46:52

舒老师，有z型变压器也是符合电工原理阿，它也需要励磁电流和损耗，必然分走一部分电流，可能参数设置的不合理，使励磁电流偏大了

shuzhiyun · 发表于 2009-9-4 13:17:43

你说得对，但是一个空载接地变压器他不可能有15A的电流？我看了F4、F5，你的Z型变压器设置好像是有问题，我已经想了二天了，我在比较我过去的马老师软件做的接地变压器参数，好像不一样，我也不知什么原因。
根据你的仿真图运行后：
这是接地变压器的参数（F4得到）
  TRANSFORMER                      X0006A 1.E11                            0
            1.          1.28
         9999
1Bus1A T0002B          -.0084.103219.1609
2earth T0002A          -.0014.002791.5072
3X0015A                .00061 .0174 .4
  TRANSFORMER X0006A                X0006B
1Bus1B T0002C
2earth T0002B
3X0015B
  TRANSFORMER X0006A                X0006C
1Bus1C T0002A
2earth T0002C
3X0015C

这是从F5得到
BUS1A             19.373966238608  20.132857345722    1.0954532488486  2.2369113410743    15.951154870877  -.0210158438609
                  -5.475525279684    -15.7815036    -1.950321647168    -60.6780252    15.893641894943       0.2582197

         X0006A 19.181875348694  19.983994279368    -1.095453248849  2.2369113410743    -15.97217071474
                  -5.604969711334    -16.2884335    1.9503216471685    119.3219748    -15.63542222293

X0006A             19.181875348694  19.983994279368    .26067201322E-7  .26325254648E-7    .2397042737E-6  .34650951613E-4
                  -5.604969711334    -16.2884335    .36769617178E-8       8.0290003    -.1083184476E-6       0.0000000

         T0002B -2587.538256893  2614.3274418337    -.2606720132E-7  .26325254648E-7    .34411247339E-4
                  -373.3011414897    -171.7906468    -.3676961718E-8    -171.9709997    .1083184476E-6

X0006A             19.181875348694  19.983994279368    .91438536397648  6.5465537582946    26.936588068576  .2951458522E-13
                  -5.604969711334    -16.2884335    -6.482381160992    -81.9709997    59.609562561651    8616.9847375

         T0002B -2587.538256893  2614.3274418337    -.9143853639765  6.5465537582946    -26.93658806858
                  -373.3011414897    -171.7906468    6.4823811609922    98.0290003    8557.3751749833

EARTH             -3455.552248907  3993.9787825593    -1.100547072574  27.568249991627    29485.709491902  -1069.739088394
                  -2002.754395977    -149.9044578    -27.54627386312    -92.2879023    -46491.73155457    5874.6766153

         T0002A    -3884.50210655  4398.4659276284    1.1005470725744  27.568249991627    -30555.4485803
                  -2063.285220398    -152.0246270    27.546273863118    87.7120977    52366.408169849

X0006A             19.181875348694  19.983994279368    .18106785881017  4.5356751397227    -10.96441759352  1069.2070825095
                  -5.604969711334    -16.2884335    4.5320595101569    87.7120977    -43.97414023051 -5873.6164036

         T0002B -2587.538256893  2614.3274418337    -.1810678588102  4.5356751397227    1080.171500103
                  -373.3011414897    -171.7906468    -4.532059510157    -92.2879023    -5829.642263334

X0015A             113.81939033249  114.94615004001    .136168854E-12  .9640132323E-12    .8829029446E-13  .8829029446E-13
                  16.055023929019       8.0290003    -.954347712E-12    -81.8796960    .5540473448E-10       0.0000000

         TERRA                0.0             0.0    -.136168854E-12  .9640132323E-12                0.0
                              0.0             0.0    .954347712E-12    98.1203040                0.0

X0006A             19.181875348694  19.983994279368    -.105852827E-13  .6725729738E-13    -.287661287E-12  -.158541168E-11
                  -5.604969711334    -16.2884335    .6641909245E-13    99.0551386    -.607356282E-12       0.0000000

         T0002B -2587.538256893  2614.3274418337    .1058528265E-13  .6725729738E-13    -.12977504E-11
                  -373.3011414897    -171.7906468    -.664190924E-13    -80.9448614    -.879067204E-10

BUS1B             -7049.382000005  14132.075963629    -24.4488269428  27.596401987988    7790.8754092802  -3.198557891267
                  -12248.33802848    -119.9220554    12.799072771245    152.3677368    194841.52500274    39.3003762

         X0006B -7048.266377851  14129.239279103    24.448826942801  27.596401987988    -7794.073967171
                  -12245.70715284    -119.9234562    -12.79907277124    -27.6322632    -194802.2246266

X0006B             -7048.266377851  14129.239279103    -.5275844998E-7  .11221514885E-6    .79233101847E-3  .62961198158E-3
                  -12245.70715284    -119.9234562    -.9903931334E-7    -118.0443218    -.2599546702E-4       0.0000000

         T0002C -1772.421379963  2936.9016892679    .52758449979E-7  .11221514885E-6    -.1627190369E-3
                  -2341.775818535    -127.1210097    .99039313343E-7    61.9556782    .25995467021E-4

X0006B             -7048.266377851  14129.239279103    -24.62905668588  27.905618170955    6464.5423037127 -.24407143E-11
                  -12245.70715284    -119.9234562    13.119950162508    151.9556782    197036.55961769 156571.6548415

         T0002C -1772.421379963  2936.9016892679    24.629056685884  27.905618170955    -6464.542303713
                  -2341.775818535    -127.1210097    -13.11995016251    -28.0443218    -40464.9047762

EARTH             -3455.552248907  3993.9787825593    -1.095453248713  2.2369113408456    -60.30965744993  -1113.544603746
                  -2002.754395977    -149.9044578    1.9503216469824    119.3219748    4466.681081385    1738.9481699

         T0002B -2587.538256893  2614.3274418337    1.0954532487129  2.2369113408456    -1053.234946296
                  -373.3011414897    -171.7906468    -1.950321646982    -60.6780252    -2727.732911504

X0006B             -7048.266377851  14129.239279103    .18022979585486  .36802855323292    1329.5308712305  1113.5411011178
                  -12245.70715284    -119.9234562    -.3208772922487    -60.6780252    -2234.334965313 -1738.9411899

         T0002C -1772.421379963  2936.9016892679    -.1802297958549  .36802855323292    -215.9897701127
                  -2341.775818535    -127.1210097    .32087729224865    119.3219748    495.39377541925

X0015B             -230.3636104701  489.97434248114    -.214583906E-11  .2409133005E-11    .1037193872E-10  .1037193872E-10
                  -432.4435954677    -118.0443218    .1095123991E-11    152.9626118    .59011553793E-9       0.0000000

         TERRA                0.0             0.0    .2145839062E-11  .2409133005E-11                0.0
                              0.0             0.0    -.109512399E-11    -27.0373882                0.0

X0006B             -7048.266377851  14129.239279103    .190514271E-12  .2123844241E-12    -.966493389E-10  -.377240502E-10
                  -12245.70715284    -119.9234562    -.938693567E-13    -26.2301878    -.1497299101E-8       0.0000000

         T0002C -1772.421379963  2936.9016892679    -.190514271E-12  .2123844241E-12    .5892528873E-10
                  -2341.775818535    -127.1210097    .9386935673E-13    153.7698122    .30625888388E-9

BUS1C             -14117.58738052  14117.587771649    1.100547072587  27.568249991669    -7814.305566388  -3.192035311933
                  -3.323196073943    -179.9865129    27.546273863159    87.7120977    194441.63546857    39.2202339

         X0006C    -14114.735085  14114.735448963    -1.100547072587  27.568249991669    7811.1135310757
                  -3.205394836854    -179.9869884    -27.54627386316    -92.2879023    -194402.4152347

X0006C                -14114.735085  14114.735448963    -.1023023298E-6  .10435592733E-6    .7219521249E-3  .54450797841E-3
                  -3.205394836854    -179.9869884    .20600798256E-7    168.6145154    .14555136464E-3       0.0000000

         T0002A    -3884.50210655  4398.4659276284    .10230232978E-6  .10435592733E-6    -.1774441465E-3
                  -2063.285220398    -152.0246270    -.2060079826E-7    -11.3854846    -.1455513646E-3

X0006C                -14114.735085  14114.735448963    5.1229982406565  25.951190117023    -36195.65493126  -.351718654E-12
                  -3.205394836854    -179.9869884    25.440502304713    78.6145154    179534.7646141 135408.0254940

         T0002A    -3884.50210655  4398.4659276284    -5.122998240657  25.951190117023    36195.654931256
                  -2063.285220398    -152.0246270    -25.44050230471    -101.3854846    -44126.73912014

EARTH             -3455.552248907  3993.9787825593    24.448826942846  27.596401988085    -29425.39983411  -22744.86759769
                  -2002.754395977    -149.9044578    -12.79907277137    -27.6322632    -46596.43016765 -6626.9191927

         T0002C -1772.421379963  2936.9016892679    -24.44882694285  27.596401988085    6680.5322364245
                  -2341.775818535    -127.1210097    12.799072771367    152.3677368    39969.510974988

X0006C                -14114.735085  14114.735448963    -4.022451065764  4.5403068559141    28384.540678206  22744.334504714
                  -3.205394836854    -179.9869884    2.1057715377964    152.3677368    14867.650474701    6627.9815706

         T0002A    -3884.50210655  4398.4659276284    4.0224510657641  4.5403068559141    -5640.206173493
                  -2063.285220398    -152.0246270    -2.105771537796    -27.6322632    -8239.668904125

X0015C             -446.6911756901  455.65796952766    .6044054146E-12  .1445185085E-11    -.759507111E-10  -.759507111E-10
                  89.950979731756    168.6145154    .1312727704E-11    65.2777357    .3203753704E-9       0.0000000

         TERRA                0.0             0.0    -.604405415E-12  .1445185085E-11                0.0

dongchch · 发表于 2009-9-4 16:54:11

atpdraw里这个z型变压器调用的也是饱和变压器模型，关于它的连线方式，我也比较糊涂

shuzhiyun · 发表于 2009-9-4 17:36:42

atpdraw里这个z型变压器调用的也是饱和变压器模型，关于它的连线方式，我也比较糊涂
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谢谢你，我真是不好意思打扰你。
我把我过去35、10KV的z型变压器填卡给你参考。
新乐主变35消弧线圈10消弧线圈填卡
新乐主变
TRANSFORMER          .4398 571.7 TE5A  .66E6
  .4398       571.7
      9999
1XL220A                0.361 33.50 136.1
2XL110A                0.128 0.001 69.86
3XL35A XL35C          0.224 6.403 38.50
  TRANSFORMER TE5A                   TE5B
1XL220B
2XL110B
3XL35B XL35A
  TRANSFORMER TE5A                   TE5C
1XL220C
2XL110C
3XL35C XL35B

35消弧线圈
  TRANSFORMER          .1175 303.7 TE2A  .66E6
  .1175       303.7
  .184       320
      9999
1QZ400AON2             .0016 .0082 0.20
2QZ35A0QZ35A1          0.305 1.375  9.95
3QZOM  QZ35C1          0.305 1.375  9.95
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2B
1QZ400BON2             .0016 .0082 0.20
2QZ35B0QZ35B1          0.305 1.375  9.95
3QZOM  QZ35A1          0.306 1.375  9.95
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2C
1QZ400CON2             .0016 .0082 0.20
2QZ35C0QZ35C1          0.305 1.375  9.95
3QZOM  QZ35B1          0.305 1.375  9.95

10消弧线圈
TRANSFORMER          .1175 303.7 TE2A  .66E6
  .1175       303.7
  .184       320
      9999
1QZ400AON2             .0360 .1466 0.20
2QZ10A1QZ10A2          3.060 13.5 3.3
3QZOM  QZ10C2          3.060 13.5 3.3
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2B
1QZ400BON2
2QZ10B1QZ10B2
3QZOM  QZ10A2
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2C
1QZ400CON2
2QZ10C1QZ10C2
3QZOM  QZ10B2

  TRANSFORMER          .1175 303.7 TE2A  .66E6
  .1175       303.7
  .184       320
      9999
1QZ400AON2             .0360 .1466 0.20
2QZ10A1QZ10A2          3.060 13.5 3.3
3QZOM  QZ10C2          3.060 13.5 3.3
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2B
1QZ400BON2
2QZ10B1QZ10B2
3QZOM  QZ10A2
  TRANSFORMER TE2A                   TE2C
1QZ400CON2
2QZ10C1QZ10C2
3QZOM  QZ10B2
BLANK CARD ENDING BRANCHES CARDS OF -TC- CASE
  DH10A          1.005    10.       0.0
  DH10A QZ10A1    -1.0    10.       0.0
  DH10B QZ10B1    11.0    10.       0.0
  DH10C QZ10C1    -1.0    10.       0.0
BLANK CARD ENDING SWITCHES CARDS OF -TC- CASE
14DYA -1 9.14e5    50.0 -15.0                         -1.0    5.1
14DY -1 -9.14e5    50.0 -15.0                         -1.0    5.1
14DYB -1 9.14e5    50.0  -135.0                         -1.0    5.1
14DY -1 -9.14e5    50.0  -135.0                         -1.0    5.1
14DYC -1 9.14e5    50.0  -255.0                         -1.0    5.1
14DY -1 -9.14e5    50.0  -255.0                         -1.0    5.1

中山主变
TRANSFORMER          .4398 571.7 TE1A  .66E6
  .4398       571.7
      9999
1ZS110AON             .8816 30.73 63.5
2ZS10A ZS10C          .0080 0.28  10.5
  TRANSFORMER TE1A                   TE1B
1ZS110BON
2ZS10B ZS10A
  TRANSFORMER TE1A                   TE1C
1ZS110CON
2ZS10C ZS10B

shuzhiyun · 发表于 2009-9-4 17:41:20

本帖最后由 shuzhiyun 于 2009-9-4 17:45 编辑

董版主：你是否可以不要用饱和的做一个接地变压器？另外，我的思路：利用开关3个测量电流的波形，让曲线相加得另序电流，不知可否？
接地变压器的接线就是114＃同志介绍的。我就不绘制了。

shuzhiyun · 发表于 2009-9-4 21:21:44

刚才我收到赵版主发来的电子邮件，他给我一张Z模型变压器仿真图，我还是看不明白。我感觉，还没有马老师的软件我做的仿真图概念清楚，可能是黄婆卖瓜自夸！

shuzhiyun · 发表于 2009-9-5 08:43:23

我今天仔细看了赵版主给我图，我不明白，Z模型变压器为什么用三个独立变压器组成？线圈之间为什么要用电阻连线？我了解他是省去了二次侧380V的所用电系统。我再次上传我的Z模型图，我非常想请大家能根据我的Z模型图变成ATPDraw的仿真图，请教了。马园曲折变接线图.BMP

xmwswws · 发表于 2009-9-9 10:37:57

关注中，呵呵

dongchch · 发表于 2009-9-9 15:01:19

我今天仔细看了赵版主给我图，我不明白，Z模型变压器为什么用三个独立变压器组成？线圈之间为什么要用电阻连线？我了解他是省去了二次侧380V的所用电系统。我再次上传我的Z模型图，我非常想请大家能根据我的Z模型图变 ...
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ATPdraw里的Z型变压器是调用了饱和变压器模型，通过连接几个线圈得到的，我想应该符合舒老师的示意图的，我再看一下它的帮助文件，和舒老师给出的对比一下，看看问题出在哪里，空载励磁电流过大应该是励磁阻抗有问题吧

dongchch · 发表于 2009-9-9 15:05:46

董版主：你是否可以不要用饱和的做一个接地变压器？另外，我的思路：利用开关3个测量电流的波形，让曲线相加得另序电流，不知可否？" w5 c$ N. n+ ^
接地变压器的接线就是114＃同志介绍的。我就不绘制了。
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我觉得应该是可以吧，正序，负序麻烦一些，零序应该可以直接数值相加吧，可以和继电的讨论一下

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